I saw Batman Forever at a drive in movie with my family when I a tween and I just loved it. I do think of him as Batman in the way I think of pierce brosnan as bond because it was that formative time. I haven’t even seen many other Batmans other than the Michael Keaton who I also associate w Batman. (Is that the one with Halle berry and Danny DeVito?)
Anywhoo, as Jane now says apparently, I have never thought much about this topic but I really devoured every word of this post!! Thank you for your perspective — and I can’t believe people disagree with others opinions on pop culture this strongly. (How can someone tell you what you should think about a movie?!) it’s like when people are mad that I have liked Taylor swift since her Speak Now album. Why do they care what I like?
PS I love the references to lip smackers and being an eldest
I just learned so much about you from this comment! Thank you! And I came into reading this knowing nothing about Batman - I don't think I've ever even seen one of those movies - but I love that the piece is bringing up these new and universal conversations. Even with you, Corynne, who I've known for so many years!
PS you know a little bit about my friend history with Christian Bale, and I was concerned about the reference to his performance here as "passable", but it's Lyndsey's "unpopular opinion" to tell how she wants and I certainly don't have to agree with all of it. None of us have to agree with each other at all! Let's just keep talking!
I know it's not the main point, but I'm also a Brosnan Bond person!
My dad loved Bond, so I started seeing them way too early. I saw a Moore Bond (Octopussy), then a Connery Bond, then a Moore, and then 2 Daltons, so there wasn't *a* Bond for me until I saw Brosnan in my first "I'm going to a Bond movie without my dad" movie, and it was like "Oh, this is my guy." And then I fell out before Daniel Craig. Hell, watching Mobland this week I was like "Hey, it's James Bond, but he's a bad guy!" Mamma Mia had a whole other vibe too. ;)
I love that you saw Batman Forever at a Drive in - it feels so perfectly campy. I lived in Maine for a while in my 20s and couldn't get enough of the Drive in, such a lost art of experience.
I feel (obviously) very validated that this perspective has caused some deep thought, especially coming from a fellow eldest millenial daughter - the most discerning of all species. 😆
I think Kilmer’s biggest problem was the movie around him. In a different movie I think everyone would have praised him. If he’d been in Burton’s Batman he would be the eternal favorite. But he was dragged down by an assumed silliness around him. Which is to say I’m not sure you’re right but you’re absolutely not wrong.
Being maybe not right, but absolutely not wrong is how I live the majority of my life, so I will take it. I tend to agree with you that the Burton / Kilmer pairing may have been golden, but I am a Schumacher apologist, so in reality I'd have it no other way.
I always LOVED Batman Forever so much, even though Michael Keaton is my formative Batman—who can absolutely still get it and is one of the few people I will allow the right to chew gum on stage. Also, "A girl can't live by psychoses alone" has been burned in my brain since June 1995. An iconic line.
"A girl can't live by psychoses alone," is true Schumacher gold. Put it on my tombstone, if I'm honest. And fully agree that MK can still get it, but it did take me to Birdman to realize that. I don't know, something about the plain white briefs, really gets me.
Val Kilmer was an absolute doll and I would have paid to watch him sit in a chair back in the day. So it is easy to understand why my favorite Val Kilmer movies were True Romance and The Right Stuff. In True Romance he played the gold lame viva Las Vegas era Elvis. Nice! My problem with Batman Forever is that the story sucked and Val Kilmer’s bat man face mask hit him wrong. It made his upper lip look strange.
I will work on writing up a piece for y'all in the unpopular opinion category soon. Basically it's about how Russia has the best national anthem, with France a distant, albeit respectable, second place. As much as I am loathe to admit my secret passion for Russian submarine music, as my Mom called it. Ha! Oh, the shame of it.
I sent you something. Who knew that bedding could be so contentious in a relationship? Well, let me tell you sister, seems like dudes simply cannot abide decorative pillows on the bed.
Ok I watched it again this weekend JUST to do some recon on this lip issue. TBH I think I must be completely brainwashed by the lipflip generation because I think it looks great on it. HA! But I do agree that I would have paid to watch Val Kilmer sit in a chair at his peak.
I was just having a debate with my friends the other day about whether the lip flip is preferable to the previously everywhere upper lip plump. I prefer the flip personally.
I saw Batman Forever at a drive in movie with my family when I a tween and I just loved it. I do think of him as Batman in the way I think of pierce brosnan as bond because it was that formative time. I haven’t even seen many other Batmans other than the Michael Keaton who I also associate w Batman. (Is that the one with Halle berry and Danny DeVito?)
Anywhoo, as Jane now says apparently, I have never thought much about this topic but I really devoured every word of this post!! Thank you for your perspective — and I can’t believe people disagree with others opinions on pop culture this strongly. (How can someone tell you what you should think about a movie?!) it’s like when people are mad that I have liked Taylor swift since her Speak Now album. Why do they care what I like?
PS I love the references to lip smackers and being an eldest
daughter millennial also 😆
I just learned so much about you from this comment! Thank you! And I came into reading this knowing nothing about Batman - I don't think I've ever even seen one of those movies - but I love that the piece is bringing up these new and universal conversations. Even with you, Corynne, who I've known for so many years!
PS you know a little bit about my friend history with Christian Bale, and I was concerned about the reference to his performance here as "passable", but it's Lyndsey's "unpopular opinion" to tell how she wants and I certainly don't have to agree with all of it. None of us have to agree with each other at all! Let's just keep talking!
I know it's not the main point, but I'm also a Brosnan Bond person!
My dad loved Bond, so I started seeing them way too early. I saw a Moore Bond (Octopussy), then a Connery Bond, then a Moore, and then 2 Daltons, so there wasn't *a* Bond for me until I saw Brosnan in my first "I'm going to a Bond movie without my dad" movie, and it was like "Oh, this is my guy." And then I fell out before Daniel Craig. Hell, watching Mobland this week I was like "Hey, it's James Bond, but he's a bad guy!" Mamma Mia had a whole other vibe too. ;)
I love that you saw Batman Forever at a Drive in - it feels so perfectly campy. I lived in Maine for a while in my 20s and couldn't get enough of the Drive in, such a lost art of experience.
I feel (obviously) very validated that this perspective has caused some deep thought, especially coming from a fellow eldest millenial daughter - the most discerning of all species. 😆
I think Kilmer’s biggest problem was the movie around him. In a different movie I think everyone would have praised him. If he’d been in Burton’s Batman he would be the eternal favorite. But he was dragged down by an assumed silliness around him. Which is to say I’m not sure you’re right but you’re absolutely not wrong.
Being maybe not right, but absolutely not wrong is how I live the majority of my life, so I will take it. I tend to agree with you that the Burton / Kilmer pairing may have been golden, but I am a Schumacher apologist, so in reality I'd have it no other way.
The man directed Lost Boys. I am 100% on board with anything he does, no matter what, because of that.
So very excellent. Keep on.
Sweet and true
I always LOVED Batman Forever so much, even though Michael Keaton is my formative Batman—who can absolutely still get it and is one of the few people I will allow the right to chew gum on stage. Also, "A girl can't live by psychoses alone" has been burned in my brain since June 1995. An iconic line.
"A girl can't live by psychoses alone," is true Schumacher gold. Put it on my tombstone, if I'm honest. And fully agree that MK can still get it, but it did take me to Birdman to realize that. I don't know, something about the plain white briefs, really gets me.
No.
Team Bale 'til I die.
Val Kilmer was an absolute doll and I would have paid to watch him sit in a chair back in the day. So it is easy to understand why my favorite Val Kilmer movies were True Romance and The Right Stuff. In True Romance he played the gold lame viva Las Vegas era Elvis. Nice! My problem with Batman Forever is that the story sucked and Val Kilmer’s bat man face mask hit him wrong. It made his upper lip look strange.
Now I need to go analyze that mask upper lip issue. But boy did I love that movie True Romance also. He was great in it, agreed!
I will work on writing up a piece for y'all in the unpopular opinion category soon. Basically it's about how Russia has the best national anthem, with France a distant, albeit respectable, second place. As much as I am loathe to admit my secret passion for Russian submarine music, as my Mom called it. Ha! Oh, the shame of it.
Oh, I'm looking forward to reading that!
I sent you something. Who knew that bedding could be so contentious in a relationship? Well, let me tell you sister, seems like dudes simply cannot abide decorative pillows on the bed.
Haha I like this pitch already. And if it involves pillow shams, I'm already laughing. Send it along and thank you in advance!
I have something for ya. Where do I send it?
Jane@anotherjaneprattthing.com. Cannot wait!
Ok I watched it again this weekend JUST to do some recon on this lip issue. TBH I think I must be completely brainwashed by the lipflip generation because I think it looks great on it. HA! But I do agree that I would have paid to watch Val Kilmer sit in a chair at his peak.
I was just having a debate with my friends the other day about whether the lip flip is preferable to the previously everywhere upper lip plump. I prefer the flip personally.